Onomat Al-Sufi l-Shafie vs Paltalk Unitarian

Messianic_Teddybear: how did he disprove it?
Messianic_Teddybear:
Messianic_Teddybear: by saying that G-d is not a man?
Messianic_Teddybear: that G-d would not lower himself to his creation
Messianic_Teddybear: etc
Messianic_Teddybear: lol
Messianic_Teddybear: cause thats exactly what oneness teaches
Messianic_Teddybear: waaaaahahahahaha
Messianic_Teddybear: like i said
Messianic_Teddybear: he cannot debate me
Messianic_Teddybear: simply cause there is no debate
Messianic_Teddybear: and no defense
Messianic_Teddybear: against oneness
Messianic_Teddybear:
Messianic_Teddybear: you guys go debate trinetarians
Messianic_Teddybear:
Messianic_Teddybear: you have much more luck in that
Messianic_Teddybear: lol
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Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: …
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: erm
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: no
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: those were not what his arguments revolved around
Messianic_Teddybear: why not
Messianic_Teddybear: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: obviously
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you didn’t pay attention
Messianic_Teddybear: i left
Messianic_Teddybear: guess i missed them
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and u didn’t hear what i said
Messianic_Teddybear: then
Messianic_Teddybear: let me guess
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: come back to the room
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: use the mic
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and let’s see how great u fair
Messianic_Teddybear: why
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: with me
Messianic_Teddybear: he would not listen to me then
Messianic_Teddybear: kept ignoring me
Messianic_Teddybear: etc
Messianic_Teddybear: what makes you think he will listen to me now
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: …
Messianic_Teddybear: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: no he didn’t ignore you
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: several people
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: were blasting off
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and he tried to debate
Messianic_Teddybear: he kept on slamming that other christian
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: everyone on text
Messianic_Teddybear: and ignored me
Messianic_Teddybear: even thou i was answreing all his questions etc
Messianic_Teddybear: all the time
Messianic_Teddybear: so i just left
Messianic_Teddybear: one way street
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: …
Messianic_Teddybear: onomat
Messianic_Teddybear: how much do you know about the oneness teaching in scripture?
Messianic_Teddybear: do you know what we believe?
Messianic_Teddybear: you do not do you?
Messianic_Teddybear: so how then can you say he beat me?
Messianic_Teddybear: if you do not know what we teach to begin with?
Messianic_Teddybear:
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you’re a unitarian?
Messianic_Teddybear: bingo
Messianic_Teddybear: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: right
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: good for u
Messianic_Teddybear: but we call ourselves modalists
Messianic_Teddybear: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: right
Messianic_Teddybear: its considered a heresy in christianity
Messianic_Teddybear: lol
Messianic_Teddybear: not even trinetarians know oneness well enough to debate it
Messianic_Teddybear: what makes you muslims think you do?
Messianic_Teddybear: lol
Messianic_Teddybear: i mnea
Messianic_Teddybear: what is there to debate>?
Messianic_Teddybear: a god man?
Messianic_Teddybear: cause thats not oneness
Messianic_Teddybear: a triune god?
Messianic_Teddybear: no oneness either
Messianic_Teddybear: god being fleh?
Messianic_Teddybear: not oneness
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: …
Messianic_Teddybear: god being born?
Messianic_Teddybear: not onenesss
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: those concepts are found in christianity not Islam
Messianic_Teddybear: yes
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Islam has the purest concept of God
Messianic_Teddybear: they are found in scripture
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: in His Oneness
Messianic_Teddybear: exactly
Messianic_Teddybear: not really
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: we never associate Him with anything
Messianic_Teddybear: cause allah is not G-d my friend
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: how is He not God?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: who is God Yahweh?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol
Messianic_Teddybear: do you know where that name comes from?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: whims and fancy
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: that’s where
Messianic_Teddybear: christian bible contain allah for G-d in arabic true
Messianic_Teddybear: but as a WORD
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i’ve checked the Bible
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: in Hebrew
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: no tetragrammaton mate
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: the migic word
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: magic*
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: is concocted
Messianic_Teddybear: like we use the word G-d for the creator
Messianic_Teddybear: in islam
Messianic_Teddybear: allah is a NAME
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: what you have is adonai and elohei
Messianic_Teddybear: one of his 99 names
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yes..it is
Messianic_Teddybear: not a wod
Messianic_Teddybear: word
Messianic_Teddybear: in arabic there is but one main word for G-d
Messianic_Teddybear: and thats allah
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: exactly
Messianic_Teddybear: christians who speak arabic simply have no other word for the creator to use
Messianic_Teddybear: thats why its in their bibles
Messianic_Teddybear: but as a word
Messianic_Teddybear: not a name
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: it’s also based on Eloh
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: same word
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Eloh
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: found in the hebrew text
Messianic_Teddybear: you are partially right in that
Messianic_Teddybear: its based on el
Messianic_Teddybear: but not eloh
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: el is the root
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yes
Messianic_Teddybear: el stands for one
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: then you have the word eloh
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: or alaha in aramaic
Messianic_Teddybear: allah stems from en lil
Messianic_Teddybear: which is sumerian in origine
Messianic_Teddybear: not arabic
Messianic_Teddybear: or hebrwe
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: right
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: all languages are connected one to the other
Messianic_Teddybear: actually not allah
Messianic_Teddybear: btu al ilah does
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: refer to Grim’s theory
Messianic_Teddybear: al ilah also does not mean the god
Messianic_Teddybear: liek so many muslims say
Messianic_Teddybear: but it means the deity
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: deity is another word for God
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ilah
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: in arabic
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: means one that is worshipped
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: al ilah
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: means The one that is worshipped
Messianic_Teddybear: elohim is used in hebrew in 2 forms
Messianic_Teddybear: plural
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i know
Messianic_Teddybear: and singular
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: plural of number
Messianic_Teddybear: elohim is a plural intensive
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and plural of respect
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: the royal plural
Messianic_Teddybear: applied to G-d its strictly singular
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: we have the same thing in arabic
Messianic_Teddybear: like eloah
Messianic_Teddybear: applied to pagan deities its plural
Messianic_Teddybear: ashoreth is called elohim
Messianic_Teddybear: yet asthoreth is a female noun
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: right
Messianic_Teddybear: moses was called elohim
Messianic_Teddybear: even Jesus was
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yep
Messianic_Teddybear: but applied to the creator its always strictly singular
Messianic_Teddybear: trinetarians seem to conviniently forget that
Messianic_Teddybear: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: they pervert the language
Messianic_Teddybear: yup
Messianic_Teddybear: as they pervert his word
Messianic_Teddybear: not to mention deity
Messianic_Teddybear: let me outline what oneness really is about
Messianic_Teddybear: from a biblical perspective
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ok
Messianic_Teddybear: G-d created the Son
Messianic_Teddybear: he was not co eternal as trinetarians claim
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: of course he did
Messianic_Teddybear: he created him through his word
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: brb eating
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: just go on
Messianic_Teddybear: oh ok
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i’m reading
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: but my hands are oily
Messianic_Teddybear: john 1:1
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol
Messianic_Teddybear: and in john 1:!4 we see G-d creating the Son in mary’s womb
Messianic_Teddybear: 1:14
Messianic_Teddybear: the name given to this Son was Jesus
Messianic_Teddybear: or Yeshua
Messianic_Teddybear: which means Yah saves
Messianic_Teddybear: Yeshua however never said i am the Son
Messianic_Teddybear: or that hte Son had sent him
Messianic_Teddybear: he said the father had sent him
Messianic_Teddybear: and that the father dwelleth in him
Messianic_Teddybear: and that he and the father are one
Messianic_Teddybear: why would he say that if he was only the Son right
Messianic_Teddybear: then he says he is the comforter
Messianic_Teddybear: in john 14
Messianic_Teddybear: and in john 14:16 we read waht the comforter is
Messianic_Teddybear: the Holy Spirit
Messianic_Teddybear: there we have the G-dhead
Messianic_Teddybear: Father
Messianic_Teddybear: Son
Messianic_Teddybear: Holy Spirit
Messianic_Teddybear: the 3 roles of our creator in his omnipresence
Messianic_Teddybear: or modes
Messianic_Teddybear: hench the term modalist
Messianic_Teddybear:
Messianic_Teddybear: this is G-d’s deity
Messianic_Teddybear: and it has a name
Messianic_Teddybear: colosians 2:9
Messianic_Teddybear: Yeshua
Messianic_Teddybear: both christians today and muslims allocate Jesus to mary’s fleshly offspring
Messianic_Teddybear: muslims because they see him juste as a prophet
Messianic_Teddybear: christians because they know jack shit about scripture or do not want to know
Messianic_Teddybear: lol
Messianic_Teddybear: but he is all these modes
Messianic_Teddybear: G-d perse
Messianic_Teddybear: Yeshua
Messianic_Teddybear: he is incarnated in what you call Yeshua
Messianic_Teddybear: this incarnation is permanent
Messianic_Teddybear: right now Yeshua is sitting at the right hand of the Father in heaven
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: right
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you see
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: we believe he never got crucified
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: as in
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: killed
Messianic_Teddybear: remember G-d is omnipresent
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: on the cross
Messianic_Teddybear: i know that
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: he was saved
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: hence his name
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Yeshua
Messianic_Teddybear: and that it only appeared as such
Messianic_Teddybear: etc
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: God saves
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: he was saved
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: right moving on
Messianic_Teddybear: according to islam he was
Messianic_Teddybear: not according to the Bible
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: about the Father dwelling in Jesus
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you got this from Paul
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Paul said
Messianic_Teddybear: yeah
Messianic_Teddybear: so?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: all the fullness of God
Messianic_Teddybear:
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: dwelt in Jesus
Messianic_Teddybear: sort of yes
Messianic_Teddybear: it says
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and that entity which dwelt in Jesus
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: is the Father
Messianic_Teddybear: for in him dwelleth all the fullness of the godhead bodily
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: God
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: All of Him dwelt in Jesus
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: but you see
Messianic_Teddybear: correction
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: the contradiction occurs
Messianic_Teddybear: the father dwelleth in the Son
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: that’s what i said?
Messianic_Teddybear: what you call Jesus is not all of his deity
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Paul said
Messianic_Teddybear: no you said G-d dwelleth in Jesus
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: All the FULLNESS of God was pleased to dwell in Jesus
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: this is what Paul said
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: shall i give u the verse
Messianic_Teddybear: no thtas not what he said
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ?
Messianic_Teddybear: sure
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: right
Messianic_Teddybear: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lemme give u the verse
Messianic_Teddybear: i wonder what bible you use
Messianic_Teddybear: let me guess
Messianic_Teddybear: new world translation?
Messianic_Teddybear: lol
Messianic_Teddybear: show me from th etrusted kjv please
Messianic_Teddybear:
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Colossians 1:19
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Colossians 2:9
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: in the kjv
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: the word there is Father
Messianic_Teddybear: 7 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yes
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: verse 19
Messianic_Teddybear: 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Messianic_Teddybear: yes so?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yep
Messianic_Teddybear: your point?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: that’s what i said
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: what were u correcting me on?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you said i was wrong
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: so i gave those two verses
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: which proves what i said
Messianic_Teddybear: no
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: so i should be asking what ur point is
Messianic_Teddybear: i thought you where refering to col 2:9
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: since u said “CORRECTION”
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: right
Messianic_Teddybear: i know col 1:19
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: okay good
Messianic_Teddybear: so again your point?
Messianic_Teddybear:
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: so the Father
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: dwelt in jesus
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: all of Him
Messianic_Teddybear: yup
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: His fullness
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: right
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: so again
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you see if this is true
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: then the contradiction occurs
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: in John 17
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and several other places
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: but i particularly favour this chapter
Messianic_Teddybear: what verse in john 17?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: the whole chapter
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: what is Jesus doing?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and verse 3 in specific
Messianic_Teddybear: 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Messianic_Teddybear: before th world was?/
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i said verse 3
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: not 5
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: verse 5 proves nothing
Messianic_Teddybear: why not read the context friend
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: refer to Jeremiah
Messianic_Teddybear:
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: the context
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Jesus is praying for his disciples
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: u don’t get my poinmt?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: point*
Messianic_Teddybear: 3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yes..exactly
Messianic_Teddybear: let me put the whole cahpter
Messianic_Teddybear: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: how did he say this?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and who was he talking to?
Messianic_Teddybear: 1 ¶ These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 ¶ I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: read no need bro
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: i’ve read the whole chapter several times
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: loll
Messianic_Teddybear: ok i will explain
Messianic_Teddybear:
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: please do
Messianic_Teddybear: G-d is omnipresent
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: …
Messianic_Teddybear: i know he is not in islam
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: he is in Islam as well
Messianic_Teddybear: but in the Bible he is
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: but not in His person
Messianic_Teddybear: no
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: His being
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: since this leads to pantheism
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: He is OMNIPRESENT
Messianic_Teddybear: islam says allah exists iwthout a place
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: in the sense
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: that His vision surpasses everything
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: nothing escapes His sight
Messianic_Teddybear: anyway
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and wherever u are
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: u can contact him
Messianic_Teddybear: The father
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: without problems
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: in this He is Omnipresent
Messianic_Teddybear: who is omnipresent G-d
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Omnipresence
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: in being
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: amounts to paganism
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: as it clearly leads to pantheism
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: no different from the hindu concept of God
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: whereby He permeates the whole Universe
Messianic_Teddybear: says he is well pleased that his (G-d’s) fullness dwelleth in the Son (Christ)
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