The following is a record (with my comments) on what transpired in my room on paltalk at about 1 to 3 am, Malaysian time, Under the section of Social Issues, Humanities called "The Science of Tasawwuf is the Heart of Islam". The room is open daily for about 12 hours per day. A wahabi by the name Taifat_Al_Mansoura came into the room on a high and mighty pedestal and started rocking the room with his slanders and disinformation.
****Taifat_Al_Mansoura is the famous Sayed_Al_Farsi as i later came to know*****
"Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: are you Sayed?'
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: anyway..yea..you are on my blog
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: how did you know ?"
The "prodigal son" enters
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: you guys need to get a life
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: who is this
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: hamza Yusef ?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Sheikh Hamza Yusuf
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: yes
I was playing an excerpt from a talk by the eminent Sheikh Hamza Yusuf on the mic when this person barged in. Without the slightest show of 'adab e.g. greeting the people in the room with the salam, he started ridiculing the room.
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: lol ...they guy who said 9.11 firefighters are mujahidden ?
This is the usual cheapest attack all the wahabis can and will conjure up against Sheikh Hamza Yusuf. There is a full response to this provided on this blog by Sheikg GF Haddad at http://neosalafism.blogspot.com/2007/05/httpwww.html . Basically, when Sheikh Hamza Yusuf called those kuffar fire fighters "MUJAHIDEEN", contextually, he meant it in the linguistic aspect of the word and was obviously not referring to the technical or shar'i connotation the word carries. The firefighters involved strove, struggled and even lost their lives in their commendable efforts in saving the lives of the civilians on 9/11. They "strove and struggled"...in that sense they were mujahideen for the word SIMPLY means those who strive. These perverted wahabis clearly have a hidden malicious agenda when they try to misquote and tarnish the image of a qualified scholar of Islam.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: ...
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: not this again
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: loL
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Taifar
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: do me a favour
AS-SOMALI 3: lol
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and yourself
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: I hope you guys do know
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: calling upon other than Allah(swt) for help, is major Shirk
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: check out my blog http://neosalafism.blogspot.com ...that concern of yours is thoroughly responded to
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: this is EXACTLY what the Pagans of Mecca did
Calling upon other than Allah for help is major shikr??? If I want, I could rationalise over this. But, I think it's best if I just produced some hadiths since these people allege themselves to be ahl hadith.
Tirmidhi relates, through his chain of narrators from 'Uthman ibn Hunayf, that a blind man came to the Prophet (alayhi salaat wa salaam) and said, "I've been afflicted in my eyesight, so please pray to Allah for me." The Prophet (alayhi salaat wa salaam) said: "Go make ablution (wudu), perform two rak'as of prayer, and then say:
"Oh Allah, I ask You and turn to You through my Prophet Muhammad, the Prophet of mercy; O Muhammad (Ya Muhammad), I seek your intercession with my Lord for the return of my eyesight [and in another version: "for my need, that it may be fulfilled. O Allah, grant him intercession for me". "The Prophet (alayhi salaat wa salaam) added, "And if there is some need, do the same."
Was THIS BLIND MAN NOT SEEKING THE HELP OF ANOTHER BESIDE ALLLAH I.E. THE PROPHET S.A.W.???? IS THIS WAHABI SUGGESTING THAT OUR BELOVED PROPHET S.A.W. COMMITTED MAJOR SHIRK BY APPROVING THIS ACTION OF ASKING SOMEONE BESIDES ALL FOR HELP???? You see..the help was asked to another besides Allah, BUT NOTE that the goal was Allah s.w.t. Himself. The Prophet was used as a means to get through Allah s.w.t , and this is known as TAWASSUL which is an issue made complicated by the wahabis. Allah s.w.t. says "Have fear of Allah and SEEK THE MEANS(Al-WASEELAH) of drawing near to Him, and strive in His Way, so that hopefully you will be successful.” (Qur’an, 5: 35) . How reliable is the hadith provided?
Tirmidhi has stated that the hadith of the blind man is "a hadith that is well or rigorously authenticated, Moreover, Baihaqi related the hadith by way of Hakim and confirmed that it was rigorously authenticated (SAHIH), Hakim having related it by a chain of transmission meeting the standards of Bukhari and Muslim, which the great muhadith Dhahabi confirmed, and Shawkani cited as evidence. The men of the hadith's chain of transmission are known to top Imams of hadith such as Dhahabi, Ibn Hajar, Hakim, Baihaqi, Tabarani, Ibn 'Abd al-Barr, Shawkani, and Ibn Taymiya. This hadith was also recorded by Bukhari in his "al-Tarikh al-kabir", by Ibn Majah in his "Sunan", where he said it was rigorously authenticated (SAHIH), by Nasa'i in "Amal al-yawm wa al-layla", by Abu Nu'aym in "Ma'rifa al-Sahaba", by Baihaqi in "Dala'il al-nubuwwa", by Mundhiri in "al-Targhib wa al-tahrib", by Haythami in "Majma' al zawa'id wa manba' al-fawa'id", by Tabarani in "al-Mu'jam al-kabir", by Ibn Khuzayma in his "Sahih", etc.
That's an instance of calling upon the Prophet s.a.w. when he was alive..now what about after he passed away?
"The people suffered a drought in `Umar's khilafa, whereupon a man[Bilal ibn al- Harith - according to ibn Hajar] came to the grave of the Prophet (alayhi salaat wa salaam) and said: "Messenger of Allah! Ask for rain for your Community, for verily they have but perished." After this the Prophet(alayhi salaat wa salaam) appeared to him in a dream and told him: "Go to `Umar and give him my greeting, then tell him that they will be watered. Tell him: Be clever!" The man went and told `Umar. The latter wept and said: "My Lord! I spare no effort except in what escapes my power."
Related by Ibn Abū Shaybah in al-Musannaf (12:31-2#12051); Bayhaqī, Dalā’il-un-nubuwwah (7:47); Ibn ‘Abd-ul-Barr, al-Istī‘āb fī ma‘rifat-il-ashāb (2:464); Subkī, Shifā’-us-siqām fī ziyārat khayr-il-anām (p.130); ‘Alā’-ud-Dīn ‘Alī, Kanz-ul-‘ummāl (8:431#23535); and Abū Ya‘lā Khalīl bin ‘Abdullāh Khalīlī Qazwīnī in Kitāb-ul-irshād fī ma‘rifat ‘ulamā’-il-hadith (1:313-4), as quoted by Mahmūd Sa‘īd Mamdūh in Raf‘-ul-minārah (p.262).
(Musannaf ibn Abi Shaybah vol.12 pg.31-32; Dalaailun-nubuwwah of Imaam Bayhaqi vol.7 pg.47).
Is Al-Sahabah Bilal Bin Harith also a mushrik???? astaghfirullah !
This is the clarification from a great Hanafi faqih :
Those who call on them intending "tawassul" cannot be blamed. As for someone who believes that those called upon can cause effects, benefit, or harm, which they create or cause to exist as Allah does, such a person is an idolator who has left Islam - Allah be our refuge! This then, and a certain person has written an article that tawassul to Allah Most High through the righteous is unlawful, while the overwhelming majority of scholars hold it is permissible, and the evidence the writer uses to corrobrate his viewpoint is devoid of anything that demonstrates what he is trying to prove. In declaring tawassul permissible, we are not hovering on brink of idolatory (shirk) or coming anywhere near it, for the conviction that Allah Most High alone has influence over anything, outwardly or inwardly, is a conviction that flows through us like our very lifeblood. If tawassul was idolatory (shirk), or if there were any suspicion of idolatory in it, the Prophet (Allah bless him and grant him peace) would not have taught it to the blind man when the latter asked him to supplicate Allah for him, though in fact he did teach him to make "tawassul" to Allah through him. And the notion that tawassul is permissible only during the lifetime of the person through whom it is done but not after his death is unsupported by any viable foundation from Sacred Law ["Rudud 'ala abatil wa rasa'il al-Shaykh Muhammad al-Hamid]
This guy Taifat has been duped and confused by the likes of Albani. For further clarification on the issue of tawassul proceed to http://www.sunnah.org/publication/encyclopedia/html/tawassul.htm
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: Taifat...you've never asked anyone for help in ur life?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: they claimed "these our our intercessors"
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: you guys have fallen into the trap, the same trape the Xtians fell into
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: when you a child...you never asked help from ur mother?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: How evil is the plotting and traps of Satan
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: you were*
waheedn: hey adam can i ask u a question? cause i forgot....
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Taifat_Al_Mansoura: You cant asked help from the Dead
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: only Allah(swt) is Omnipotent
This has been answered above. In addition, the dead e.g. Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. is asked at their grave sites. Not just anywhere.
AS-SOMALI 3: taifat easy man
waheedn: can u tell me the definition of prophet and messenger again?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: lol..nobody asks the dead for help Taifat
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: The saints cant hear you , they cant even help themselves
This ignorance is answered by the hadith again.
Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
"The Messenger of Allah spoke to the People (buried) in the Well saying: "Have you found out that what your Lord had promised you is true?" then someone exclaimed: "Are you calling out to the dead!" The Prophet replied: "You do not hear better than they do, except they do not respond."[Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2, Book 23, Number 452]
Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, "When (Allah's) slave is put in his grave and his companions return and he even hears their footsteps, two angels come to him and make him sit and ask……. . Sahih Bukhari, Volume 2 Book 23, Number 456 2. and Sahih Muslim, Book 040, Number 6862 . If the dead can even hear ur footsteps, how is it that they do not hear your voice by Allah's will?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: the saints can't hear you?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Ono ..sure they do
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: what saints first of all?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: and why can the dead not hear you?
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: would you like hadith on that?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Tasawwuf = Intercessio = Help = Worship
Now, what sort of ignorance is this? I ask someone to please show me one place where the scholars of Islam have said that Tasawwuf equals Intercession? This person obiously does not know what he's talking about, hence the title of the article. And by the way dear readers. Help does not mean worship either.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: LOLLL
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: subahanallah
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: wb Tridax
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: That Hadeeth is for a particular situation ,at a particular time, for a particular people
Tridax: Taifat you need to go to elementary maths class.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: what hadith Taifat?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: stop worshipping the graves and saints
This is the hight of their ignorance. Accusing Muslims of worshipping graves and "saints" when none of us commit such heretical blasphemy.
Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie: LOL Tridax
AS-SOMALI 3: ws
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: you will be answerable to Allah(swt) on the day of judgement
AS-SOMALI 3: taifat we know
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Ono ... we all will be
Does he take the people in the room for kids? We will all be answerable to Allah s.w.t. Can anyone be more obvious?
AS-SOMALI 3: just shut it taifat
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: stop worshipping the graves , this is ridiculous
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: you say in your Prayer - Iyyakanabudo wa Iyyakanastaeen
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: -even you even pray at all
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Ono ..did The Prophet(pbuh) ask Abraham(as) for help ?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: call upon the servants of Allah(swt) ?
waheedn: u mean like angels?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Ono ....its OK to call upon Jinn for Help ?
Whoever asks for the help of Jinns in the room?..I haven't the slightest clue.
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: waheed their Hadeeth are fabricated and mis-interpreted
While this transpired in the room, we offered no exact hadith to substantiate our position. So, how does this person know that the hadeeth we rely upon are fabricated when we didn't even present one for our case? I wonder if he's a student of "Sheikhul Hadith" Albani Al-Kadhab ?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Ono ...you have never done so , but its OK ?
waheedn: to be honest taifat i dont go with the hadith just the Quran
Waheedn is a "Quranist" i.e. rejector of hadith. May Allah guide him.
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Allah(swt) guide you people , you may probably be in Major Shirk , you have fallen into the same trap of the Xtians unofortunately
What trap have we fallen in I pray?
Taifat_Al_Mansoura: Allah(swt) guide you
AMMEN Allahumma Ameen.
terminator01: she is gone
ONE WORD....EXPOSED !
AlhamdulillahiRABBIL 'Alameen. Allah exposes the liars and their deceit. Wassalam.
I do not hate nor hold any grudge on the Wahabis/Salafis as a community. The contents provided here are not meant to incite hatred for the wahabis who are Muslims(however confused they may be) but it is simply to convey the truth and expose the lies that prevail among them so as to warn others not to fall into the same mire. May Allah s.w.t. guide us all.
"ISLAM is the ONLY PATH to salvation. Ahl Sunnah Wal Jama'ah is the ONLY vehicle that may take you on that path. Tasawwuf is the engine that drives the vehicle. If you have these, you will earn Allah's pleasure, Insha'Allah." Onomat Al-Sufi Al-Shafie
"If the first inward thought is not warded off, it will generate a desire, then the desire will generate a wish, and the wish will generate an intention, and the intention will generate the action, and the action will result in ruin and divine wrath. So evil must be cut off at its root, which is when it is simply a thought that crosses the mind, from which all the other things follow on." (Al-Hujjatul Islam Imam Abu Hamid Al-Ghazali, Ihya' Ulum al-Deen 6/17) "If you are aware of your humility, then you are arrogant." (Ibn Ata'illah) "Never do I argue with a man with a desire to hear him say what is wrong, or to expose him and win victory over him. Whenever I face an opponent in debate I silently pray - O Lord, help him so that truth may flow from his heart and on his tongue, and so that if truth is on my side, he may follow me; and if truth be on his side, I may follow him." (Imam Al-Shafie r.a.) "Never forget that turning a blind eye to oppression and watching from the sidelines is itself oppression" (Harun Yahya) "Do not sit idle, for indeed death is seeking you' (Hasan Al-Basri)